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Stream-of-consciousness thoughts on The Americans, 1.01 through 1.07, by no means comprehensive:
1.01:
Philip set my teeth on edge with that petulant, “You’re my *wife*!” after Elizabeth pulls the knife on him. First off, Philip, she’s your cover wife. Secondly, even if she were your real wife, she’d still absolutely have the right to say no. She told you twice to stop nuzzling her neck, and you ignored her. Hence me not feeling remotely sorry for you getting a knife at your throat.
I get the feeling this scene was supposed to be showing how Elizabeth was traumatized from reliving Timishev’s rape, and her pulling the knife was supposed to show how she was overreacting. But she kind of wasn’t overreacting in a way, because Philip was totally ignoring her telling him to stop. The scene just came across weirdly for me. I realize matters are complicated by the fact that Philip has been crushing on Elizabeth for quite some time, and also complicated by the fact that they probably haven’t had, ahem, marital relations since Henry was born. But it’s not *that* complicated. She said to stop.
I don’t think Philip is a potential rapist. He backed off in the knife scene when Elizabeth finally flipped out on him, and he backed off in the 1965 flashback when Elizabeth rejected his come-on. But he has boundary issues.
I also didn’t like the subplot with Errol. Errol was just too cartoonishly evil, and the scene where Philip tracks him down and goes medieval on him just seemed…over the top. Like, anti-pedophile wish-fulfilment.
The bit where Philip was line dancing in the department store was awesome, though, from his quiet glee to Paige’s “Oh God, my dad is embarrassing me!” mortification. I get the sense that Philip really loves living in America, in a hedonistic sense.
Speaking of Paige and Henry, wow, adding children to the mix *really* complicates things. I know a couple with children are presumably less suspicious than one without children, but those are two little lives Philip and Elizabeth are responsible for protecting. And I loved the exchange between Philip and Elizabeth where Elizabeth says the kids could grow up to be socialists or trade union activists. They’ve been living this white, middle-class, suburban, small-c conservative cover life for so long the kids have totally failed to absorb Elizabeth’s real values.
I liked the sense of Philip and Elizabeth as a team, particularly in the first scene where Philip suggests defecting, Elizabeth thinks he’s joking, and he laughs it off. There’s a sense that despite the emotional distance between them, they’re still a long-established team, with shared worries about dying and leaving the kids all alone. And then in the second scene where Philip suggests defecting, he obviously wants their marriage to be real. But Elizabeth is too busy flipping out over his betrayal to notice little things like, “Oh yeah, my cover husband has a huge crush on me.” I was actually kind of surprised that Elizabeth didn’t immediately kill him when he seriously suggested defecting. Maybe she was in shock, or maybe she was trying to figure out a non-suspicious way to bump him off as well after she’d dealt with Timishev. By flipping out and killing Timishev himself, Philip may well have saved his own life. And Elizabeth covered for him afterwards with Zhukov.
Keri Russell is actually playing a character who’s older than herself, which is unusual for actors. Elizabeth says her father died at Stalingrad when she was 2, and the Battle of Stalingrad was 1942 to very early 1943. So Elizabeth would’ve been born in in 1940 or early 1941, making her 40 when the show starts. Russell does not remotely look 40, and indeed she was only 36 when they shot the first seaon,a ccording to IMDB.
1.02:
Distinctly substandard compared with the other episodes I’ve watched so far. It didn’t quite hang together. There was all that stuff with Annaliese the trophy wife at the beginning, then she disappeared until almost the end of the ep, then she reappeared only to disappear from the larger narrative. I liked Viola a lot, despite her being a religious fanatic, and I felt awful for her and Grayson getting swept up in all this Cold War stuff. But it felt like Viola’s actions were plot-driven rather than being coherent. The writers needed to string out the suspense and pad out the episode, so she didn’t replace the clock the first time but also didn’t call the cops.
I thought the class/race thing with Viola and Mrs. Weinberger was interesting. On the one hand, there’s this warm employee-employer relationship, where the employer is asking about Grayson’s college studies and reference is made to past kindness and generosity to Grayson (medical bills paid, maybe?). But on the other hand, Mrs. Weinberger calls Viola by her first name and Viola calls her Mrs. Weinberger. Mrs. Weinberger is still a rich white woman who pays a poor black woman to do her housework, in spite of their chumminess.
But all in all, not a very good episode. On the bright side, Philip and Elizabeth didn’t kill Viola, or her son, or her brother, which I had been worried they would do.
1.03:
I totally called it. As soon as we found out Robert had a secret wife and secret baby, I thought, “Well, the baby’s half-Russian, so they’ll want to repatriate him. But the wife is a dead woman walking.” I love Claudia. Great casting against type, having Philip and Elizabeth’s new handler be a motherly lady in her sixties. Interesting that Claudia coddles Philip and Elizabeth, allowing them to think Joyce and Oscar will really get a happily ever after in Cuba, when presumably Claudia has always intended to kill Joyce and send Oscar back to Russia. She obviously guessed that Philip was emotionally attached to Robert, and wouldn’t take kindly to being told the real plan.
I was very intrigued by Gregory, and I hope we see more of him in future episodes. I want to know more about his motivations for working for the KGB when he’s American. I suspect it’s more than just being in love with Elizabeth (although he’s definitely that), but a political choice as well to reject a racist American system which has tried to grind him down. Also, does he idealize the Communist system? I was also happy that Elizabeth got to have some romance in her life when she was younger. Even if it fizzled out and she later ended up developing feelings for Philip, she got to have that young love with Gregory. Interesting as well that Philip is not the only one who knows how to break the rules. Elizabeth was presumably not supposed to tell Gregory she was really Russian.
I liked that Gregory, despite being shaken up, is a smooth enough liar to come out with that “you can’t build your marriage on a lie” line. Based on his earlier conversation with Philip in which he explicitly tells Philip to leave Elizabeth be regardless of whether or not he loves her, I’d say he badly wants them to break up. But he thinks on his feet and comes up with a palatable answer for why he told Philip about his relationship with Elizabeth.
The thing is, and it’s not explicitly stated in the text, but there is no way the relationship with Elizabeth could end well for Gregory. Even if the KGB allowed her and Philip to get a divorce, which they likely wouldn’t allow, there’s no way they’d let respectable suburban Elizabeth Jennings openly have a relationship with a black guy from the projects. That would be unusual and noteworthy, and Elizabeth’s supposed to blend into the background. Gregory saying, “You’re finally leaving him” shows his political naivete, because they’d never let Elizabeth leave Philip. So basically, Gregory’s been stuck in this on-off relationship that can’t go anywhere for, what, 14 years? When Philip says (a tad condescendingly, I must say), “You don’t have a family, do you?” well, of course Gregory doesn’t have a family. He’s presumably been hung up on Elizabeth all this time and didn’t get around to meeting someone else and starting a family.
Wow, Stan and Chris’s supervisor really doesn’t like Chris at all, does he? In 1.02 he gives all the credit for recruiting Nina to Stan, minimizing Chris’s role, and in this ep he just blows up at Chris. I’m not sure if this is supposed to be an example of institutional racism at work, making Chris’s career harder, or if he’s just supposed to be a jerk.
1.04:
I liked that Philip and Elizabeth got to have their romantic midday tryst at a hotel. I had assumed when I saw Elizabeth in a hotel room that she was on the job, so I was very surprised when Philip showed up and they started tentatively kissing. It’s interesting how on the one hand, they’ve been married for 15- 16 years and been working together all that time, but on the other hand, they’re only just now getting to know each other romantically.
I was 4 when Reagan was shot, so the whole thing passed me by at the time. All I knew about it was the Jodie Foster angle. I loved that Nina and the staff at the Rezidentura immediately leapt to the conclusion that this was a military coup by General Haig. Because if something like that had happened in the Soviet Union, it probably *would* have been a coup.
I wonder why Chris froze up like that when he was watching Stan and Nina and the Embassy guy who was tailing Nina. That wasn’t really explained. I guess it was written that way to show Stan’s instincts at work. He somehow senses danger from the parked car and impulsively ignores Nina as she passes by. The aftermath was the first time we’ve seen Stan be anything other than easygoing. He was positively curt with Chris, when they’re normally so friendly.
I strongly suspect Claudia has read Elizabeth’s file and knows very well her father died at Stalingrad. The way Claudia talked about working behind enemy lines at Stalingrad herself, it was like she was trying to build a sense of connection between them. Claudia may truly have been at Stalingrad, but I don’t think she just mentioned by coincidence.
Great pacing in the episode, sense of escalation and mounting panic. And wow, when it came to pulling the trigger on that rent-a-cop, Elizabeth didn’t flinch for a moment. I love when Philip and Elizabeth get snippy with each other. They’re just so very married. At the very end of the episode, great moment of emotional intimacy, with Elizabeth saying, “I won’t tell if you won’t.” They’re starting to trust each other.
1.05:
Nina isn’t long for this world, is she? All kinds of foreshadowing here. I really hope the show doesn’t go the obvious route of having Nina and Stan have an affair. Yeah, Stan’s emotionally attached to Nina, but I’d like to think he wouldn’t cheat on Sandra.
Poor Adam, totally losing it over the death of his wife. And being betrayed by his friend Vassily. I get the impression Philip and Elizabeth don’t have many friends, not even cover friends. So yeah, Philip is saying he’s friends with Stan for the background info he can glean, but I suspect on some level Philip is enjoying the male bonding. And Elizabeth is totally jealous, it’s not just nerves over Stan getting too close to them.
The thing with the cars was totally improbable, but kind of fun. You have to put plausibility out the window if you’re going to watch this show.
The situation with Schultz was very disturbing. I realize honeypot scams are part and parcel of being a spy, but I had to roll my eyes a little. Good acting from Russell, though, showing Elizabeth’s face as she realized Schultz was getting out of control. And she still managed to get the information out of him, and get out safely, and not have to kill him with her pinkie.
Philip’s reaction, on the other hand, was completely unhelpful. Yeah, he has form for reacting like this, based on the pilot, but his macho man routine is getting tiresome. Basically, Elizabeth not only had to deal with having sex with someone she was in no way attracted to, and then have to deal with getting beaten up by him, she also had no opportunity to freak out afterwards, because she was much too busy having to calm Philip down and stop him from killing Schultz.
Interesting, though, that we’re now seeing the down side of Philip and Elizabeth developing a real marriage. Philip isn’t reacting like a fellow spy, he’s reacting like an enraged and irrational husband. At least he apologizes eventually. I suspect this is going to develop into a serious problem in future, though, because there are times Elizabeth will be in danger, there are times he’ll have to *send* her into danger, and he’s going to have to deal with it better than this.
I liked Claudia and Elizabeth’s conversation about American feminism, even if it was a little too on the nose.
Watching this show, set in early 1981, I keep having to remind myself that the Iron Curtain would crumble less than a decade later. The Cold War seems so…permanent in this show.
1.06:
I totally called it that the interrogators would actually turn out to be working for Claudia and not the CIA or the FBI. Mostly because if it really had been the CIA or the FBI, they would've surely gone to Stan for information first. Interesting that Philip doesn't crumble, even when they threaten the kids and Elizabeth. I think he probably would've crumbled prior to 1.01, but now he's got to live up to Elizabeth's expectations of him as a good KGB officer.
Paige and Henry's adventure in hitchhiking was a little Afterschool Special, but I liked getting to see them be resourceful and quick-witted, not to mention totally able to conceal dangerous stuff from their parents. They're not soft American kids after all, they've got secret agent DNA.
Goodbye Vassily, we hardly knew you. Stan is *smart*.
1.07:
Somewhat incoherent episode. Could easily be subtitled, "all men cheat" (which I don't think is really true, but seems to be the episode theme). Stan, I thought better of you. Also, there are dubious consent issues here because Nina is depending on Stan to "exfiltrate" her, so if he drunkenly comes onto her, does she really have much of a choice but to say yes? Special Agent Boss Man is smarter than he seems, though. He totally suspects that Nina and Stan slept together.
As for Philip and Irina, so Philip has a secret baby, maybe. I was a little confused by Irina wanting Philip to run away with her. Surely if they jump ship, their son back in Russia (assuming he really exists, which is by no means certain) would suffer mightily for their defection. My understanding is the families of defectors were blackballed and had their prospects destroyed. Irina isn't much of a mom if she's willing to subject her son to that.
It makes sense that Philip wouldn't tell Elizabeth about Irina trying to induce him to defect. Elizabeth has no loyalty towards Irina and wouldn't necessarily keep it secret. But lying about sleeping with Irina was a BIG mistake. Philip said in 1.06 that he'd never lied to Elizabeth, well, he's lied to her now.
1.01:
Philip set my teeth on edge with that petulant, “You’re my *wife*!” after Elizabeth pulls the knife on him. First off, Philip, she’s your cover wife. Secondly, even if she were your real wife, she’d still absolutely have the right to say no. She told you twice to stop nuzzling her neck, and you ignored her. Hence me not feeling remotely sorry for you getting a knife at your throat.
I get the feeling this scene was supposed to be showing how Elizabeth was traumatized from reliving Timishev’s rape, and her pulling the knife was supposed to show how she was overreacting. But she kind of wasn’t overreacting in a way, because Philip was totally ignoring her telling him to stop. The scene just came across weirdly for me. I realize matters are complicated by the fact that Philip has been crushing on Elizabeth for quite some time, and also complicated by the fact that they probably haven’t had, ahem, marital relations since Henry was born. But it’s not *that* complicated. She said to stop.
I don’t think Philip is a potential rapist. He backed off in the knife scene when Elizabeth finally flipped out on him, and he backed off in the 1965 flashback when Elizabeth rejected his come-on. But he has boundary issues.
I also didn’t like the subplot with Errol. Errol was just too cartoonishly evil, and the scene where Philip tracks him down and goes medieval on him just seemed…over the top. Like, anti-pedophile wish-fulfilment.
The bit where Philip was line dancing in the department store was awesome, though, from his quiet glee to Paige’s “Oh God, my dad is embarrassing me!” mortification. I get the sense that Philip really loves living in America, in a hedonistic sense.
Speaking of Paige and Henry, wow, adding children to the mix *really* complicates things. I know a couple with children are presumably less suspicious than one without children, but those are two little lives Philip and Elizabeth are responsible for protecting. And I loved the exchange between Philip and Elizabeth where Elizabeth says the kids could grow up to be socialists or trade union activists. They’ve been living this white, middle-class, suburban, small-c conservative cover life for so long the kids have totally failed to absorb Elizabeth’s real values.
I liked the sense of Philip and Elizabeth as a team, particularly in the first scene where Philip suggests defecting, Elizabeth thinks he’s joking, and he laughs it off. There’s a sense that despite the emotional distance between them, they’re still a long-established team, with shared worries about dying and leaving the kids all alone. And then in the second scene where Philip suggests defecting, he obviously wants their marriage to be real. But Elizabeth is too busy flipping out over his betrayal to notice little things like, “Oh yeah, my cover husband has a huge crush on me.” I was actually kind of surprised that Elizabeth didn’t immediately kill him when he seriously suggested defecting. Maybe she was in shock, or maybe she was trying to figure out a non-suspicious way to bump him off as well after she’d dealt with Timishev. By flipping out and killing Timishev himself, Philip may well have saved his own life. And Elizabeth covered for him afterwards with Zhukov.
Keri Russell is actually playing a character who’s older than herself, which is unusual for actors. Elizabeth says her father died at Stalingrad when she was 2, and the Battle of Stalingrad was 1942 to very early 1943. So Elizabeth would’ve been born in in 1940 or early 1941, making her 40 when the show starts. Russell does not remotely look 40, and indeed she was only 36 when they shot the first seaon,a ccording to IMDB.
1.02:
Distinctly substandard compared with the other episodes I’ve watched so far. It didn’t quite hang together. There was all that stuff with Annaliese the trophy wife at the beginning, then she disappeared until almost the end of the ep, then she reappeared only to disappear from the larger narrative. I liked Viola a lot, despite her being a religious fanatic, and I felt awful for her and Grayson getting swept up in all this Cold War stuff. But it felt like Viola’s actions were plot-driven rather than being coherent. The writers needed to string out the suspense and pad out the episode, so she didn’t replace the clock the first time but also didn’t call the cops.
I thought the class/race thing with Viola and Mrs. Weinberger was interesting. On the one hand, there’s this warm employee-employer relationship, where the employer is asking about Grayson’s college studies and reference is made to past kindness and generosity to Grayson (medical bills paid, maybe?). But on the other hand, Mrs. Weinberger calls Viola by her first name and Viola calls her Mrs. Weinberger. Mrs. Weinberger is still a rich white woman who pays a poor black woman to do her housework, in spite of their chumminess.
But all in all, not a very good episode. On the bright side, Philip and Elizabeth didn’t kill Viola, or her son, or her brother, which I had been worried they would do.
1.03:
I totally called it. As soon as we found out Robert had a secret wife and secret baby, I thought, “Well, the baby’s half-Russian, so they’ll want to repatriate him. But the wife is a dead woman walking.” I love Claudia. Great casting against type, having Philip and Elizabeth’s new handler be a motherly lady in her sixties. Interesting that Claudia coddles Philip and Elizabeth, allowing them to think Joyce and Oscar will really get a happily ever after in Cuba, when presumably Claudia has always intended to kill Joyce and send Oscar back to Russia. She obviously guessed that Philip was emotionally attached to Robert, and wouldn’t take kindly to being told the real plan.
I was very intrigued by Gregory, and I hope we see more of him in future episodes. I want to know more about his motivations for working for the KGB when he’s American. I suspect it’s more than just being in love with Elizabeth (although he’s definitely that), but a political choice as well to reject a racist American system which has tried to grind him down. Also, does he idealize the Communist system? I was also happy that Elizabeth got to have some romance in her life when she was younger. Even if it fizzled out and she later ended up developing feelings for Philip, she got to have that young love with Gregory. Interesting as well that Philip is not the only one who knows how to break the rules. Elizabeth was presumably not supposed to tell Gregory she was really Russian.
I liked that Gregory, despite being shaken up, is a smooth enough liar to come out with that “you can’t build your marriage on a lie” line. Based on his earlier conversation with Philip in which he explicitly tells Philip to leave Elizabeth be regardless of whether or not he loves her, I’d say he badly wants them to break up. But he thinks on his feet and comes up with a palatable answer for why he told Philip about his relationship with Elizabeth.
The thing is, and it’s not explicitly stated in the text, but there is no way the relationship with Elizabeth could end well for Gregory. Even if the KGB allowed her and Philip to get a divorce, which they likely wouldn’t allow, there’s no way they’d let respectable suburban Elizabeth Jennings openly have a relationship with a black guy from the projects. That would be unusual and noteworthy, and Elizabeth’s supposed to blend into the background. Gregory saying, “You’re finally leaving him” shows his political naivete, because they’d never let Elizabeth leave Philip. So basically, Gregory’s been stuck in this on-off relationship that can’t go anywhere for, what, 14 years? When Philip says (a tad condescendingly, I must say), “You don’t have a family, do you?” well, of course Gregory doesn’t have a family. He’s presumably been hung up on Elizabeth all this time and didn’t get around to meeting someone else and starting a family.
Wow, Stan and Chris’s supervisor really doesn’t like Chris at all, does he? In 1.02 he gives all the credit for recruiting Nina to Stan, minimizing Chris’s role, and in this ep he just blows up at Chris. I’m not sure if this is supposed to be an example of institutional racism at work, making Chris’s career harder, or if he’s just supposed to be a jerk.
1.04:
I liked that Philip and Elizabeth got to have their romantic midday tryst at a hotel. I had assumed when I saw Elizabeth in a hotel room that she was on the job, so I was very surprised when Philip showed up and they started tentatively kissing. It’s interesting how on the one hand, they’ve been married for 15- 16 years and been working together all that time, but on the other hand, they’re only just now getting to know each other romantically.
I was 4 when Reagan was shot, so the whole thing passed me by at the time. All I knew about it was the Jodie Foster angle. I loved that Nina and the staff at the Rezidentura immediately leapt to the conclusion that this was a military coup by General Haig. Because if something like that had happened in the Soviet Union, it probably *would* have been a coup.
I wonder why Chris froze up like that when he was watching Stan and Nina and the Embassy guy who was tailing Nina. That wasn’t really explained. I guess it was written that way to show Stan’s instincts at work. He somehow senses danger from the parked car and impulsively ignores Nina as she passes by. The aftermath was the first time we’ve seen Stan be anything other than easygoing. He was positively curt with Chris, when they’re normally so friendly.
I strongly suspect Claudia has read Elizabeth’s file and knows very well her father died at Stalingrad. The way Claudia talked about working behind enemy lines at Stalingrad herself, it was like she was trying to build a sense of connection between them. Claudia may truly have been at Stalingrad, but I don’t think she just mentioned by coincidence.
Great pacing in the episode, sense of escalation and mounting panic. And wow, when it came to pulling the trigger on that rent-a-cop, Elizabeth didn’t flinch for a moment. I love when Philip and Elizabeth get snippy with each other. They’re just so very married. At the very end of the episode, great moment of emotional intimacy, with Elizabeth saying, “I won’t tell if you won’t.” They’re starting to trust each other.
1.05:
Nina isn’t long for this world, is she? All kinds of foreshadowing here. I really hope the show doesn’t go the obvious route of having Nina and Stan have an affair. Yeah, Stan’s emotionally attached to Nina, but I’d like to think he wouldn’t cheat on Sandra.
Poor Adam, totally losing it over the death of his wife. And being betrayed by his friend Vassily. I get the impression Philip and Elizabeth don’t have many friends, not even cover friends. So yeah, Philip is saying he’s friends with Stan for the background info he can glean, but I suspect on some level Philip is enjoying the male bonding. And Elizabeth is totally jealous, it’s not just nerves over Stan getting too close to them.
The thing with the cars was totally improbable, but kind of fun. You have to put plausibility out the window if you’re going to watch this show.
The situation with Schultz was very disturbing. I realize honeypot scams are part and parcel of being a spy, but I had to roll my eyes a little. Good acting from Russell, though, showing Elizabeth’s face as she realized Schultz was getting out of control. And she still managed to get the information out of him, and get out safely, and not have to kill him with her pinkie.
Philip’s reaction, on the other hand, was completely unhelpful. Yeah, he has form for reacting like this, based on the pilot, but his macho man routine is getting tiresome. Basically, Elizabeth not only had to deal with having sex with someone she was in no way attracted to, and then have to deal with getting beaten up by him, she also had no opportunity to freak out afterwards, because she was much too busy having to calm Philip down and stop him from killing Schultz.
Interesting, though, that we’re now seeing the down side of Philip and Elizabeth developing a real marriage. Philip isn’t reacting like a fellow spy, he’s reacting like an enraged and irrational husband. At least he apologizes eventually. I suspect this is going to develop into a serious problem in future, though, because there are times Elizabeth will be in danger, there are times he’ll have to *send* her into danger, and he’s going to have to deal with it better than this.
I liked Claudia and Elizabeth’s conversation about American feminism, even if it was a little too on the nose.
Watching this show, set in early 1981, I keep having to remind myself that the Iron Curtain would crumble less than a decade later. The Cold War seems so…permanent in this show.
1.06:
I totally called it that the interrogators would actually turn out to be working for Claudia and not the CIA or the FBI. Mostly because if it really had been the CIA or the FBI, they would've surely gone to Stan for information first. Interesting that Philip doesn't crumble, even when they threaten the kids and Elizabeth. I think he probably would've crumbled prior to 1.01, but now he's got to live up to Elizabeth's expectations of him as a good KGB officer.
Paige and Henry's adventure in hitchhiking was a little Afterschool Special, but I liked getting to see them be resourceful and quick-witted, not to mention totally able to conceal dangerous stuff from their parents. They're not soft American kids after all, they've got secret agent DNA.
Goodbye Vassily, we hardly knew you. Stan is *smart*.
1.07:
Somewhat incoherent episode. Could easily be subtitled, "all men cheat" (which I don't think is really true, but seems to be the episode theme). Stan, I thought better of you. Also, there are dubious consent issues here because Nina is depending on Stan to "exfiltrate" her, so if he drunkenly comes onto her, does she really have much of a choice but to say yes? Special Agent Boss Man is smarter than he seems, though. He totally suspects that Nina and Stan slept together.
As for Philip and Irina, so Philip has a secret baby, maybe. I was a little confused by Irina wanting Philip to run away with her. Surely if they jump ship, their son back in Russia (assuming he really exists, which is by no means certain) would suffer mightily for their defection. My understanding is the families of defectors were blackballed and had their prospects destroyed. Irina isn't much of a mom if she's willing to subject her son to that.
It makes sense that Philip wouldn't tell Elizabeth about Irina trying to induce him to defect. Elizabeth has no loyalty towards Irina and wouldn't necessarily keep it secret. But lying about sleeping with Irina was a BIG mistake. Philip said in 1.06 that he'd never lied to Elizabeth, well, he's lied to her now.